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June 19, 2009 11:30 AM PDT

Smaller crowds line up for iPhone 3G S on first day

by Erica Ogg
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iPhone 3G S launch

First iPhone 3G S buyers emerge from New York's Fifth Avenue Apple Store.

(Credit: Caroline McCarthy/CNET)

SAN FRANCISCO--What a difference a year makes.

Apple released its third-generation iPhone Friday, but considerably smaller and quieter crowds came out for the smartphone's debut. It was a stark contrast to the frenzied first day sales of the original iPhone and last year's iPhone 3G. Friday's lines outside stores across the country were reportedly 100- to 200-people deep in some places, falling short of the lines that sometimes stretched for blocks in 2007 and 2008.

Also different this year was the activation process for new phones. Both Apple and AT&T's servers appeared to hold up much better this year, with many buyers Friday morning reporting quick, easy transactions. After just an hour, folks lining up outside Apple and AT&T stores in New York City, San Francisco, and Emeryville, Calif. were filing into the stores in an orderly manner, with no brawls breaking out over line-jumping or the headache-inducing activation problems of last year to be found.

The relatively lower turnout in the early morning wasn't really unexpected. Both Apple and AT&T offered a few more options for purchasing the 3G S this year that appeared to reduce the chaos--offering preordering and the ability to reserve iPhones for in-store pickup. Some customers who may have wanted a new phone are not yet eligible for an upgrade from AT&T unless they want to pay a hefty "early upgrade" fee, and for others, the 3G S isn't that much of an improvement over the 3G model released last year.

The attitude at New York's Apple stores was sleepy: Days of bad weather may have deterred potential customers. In San Francisco, just two people camped overnight on the sidewalk outside the downtown Apple Store. Most people, it seems, opted to sleep in their own beds Thursday night and began queuing up this morning. A middle-aged San Francisco woman buying her first iPhone exemplified the general attitude. She tried to pick up the phone she reserved Thursday night, but an Apple employee told her it wouldn't be available until Friday but that she could wait outside overnight to pick up her phone in the morning. Her reaction: "I said, 'You're kidding me, right?'"

Some things didn't change though. Despite the more tepid energy level overall, the first customer walked out of the Fifth Avenue store with an iPhone 3G S, waved it above his head and cheered, "First one, baby!"

In San Francisco, the first man in line, Adam Jackson, entered the store at 7 a.m. on the dot with his arms raised triumphantly amid claps and cheers from Apple employees. He emerged just 10 minutes later, new black 32GB iPhone in hand.

iPhone 3G S launch

Adam Jackson is the first person to enter the downtown San Francisco Apple store Friday.

(Credit: James Martin/CNET)

It was a far cry from last year's activation snafu. Dale Larson, who was first in the San Francisco line last year, expressed relief at his experience Friday. "This is sooo much better than last year," he said. He reserved his iPhone ahead of time and with help from an Apple employee had his phone activated in two minutes. Last year when the activation process bogged down he was stuck in the store for more than two hours. Apple ended up giving him a phone for free for his troubles. This year, he seemed happy to pay and get out in one-sixtieth the time it took last year.

Still, not everybody was pleased. Despite AT&T's attempts to clarify its policy Wednesday, there still appeared to be confusion with the carrier's early upgrade policy for iPhone customers. San Francisco-based digital marketing manager Jay Bain, who purchased his third iPhone in three years Friday morning, expected to pay $299 for a 32GB iPhone 3G S. Instead, he ended up laying down $499 for it. "I guess I didn't read the fine print," he said afterward.

But Jeff Johnson, a local software engineer, also bought his third iPhone in as many years, but said he paid just $299 Friday.

As of this writing, the supply of the iPhone 3G S seemed to be holding up, but we'll check back today and over the weekend to see if that still holds true as more people filter into the stores.

The absence of frenzy this year raises the question of whether the line waiting phenomenon has reached its conclusion. By next year, when a fourth-generation iPhone will surely be released, it's unclear if the cachet of being the first to have the latest upgrade will still be as appealing to more than just the hard-core Apple fans.

CNET's Caroline McCarthy contributed to this story.

Corrected at 12:50 p.m.: An erroneous calculation regarding the time it took Larson to activate his phone this year was fixed.

Update 2:30 p.m.: There have been some reports of longer waits to activate the iPhone.

Update 4:15 p.m.: Some AT&T stores say they've run out of iPhones, but will get more shipments in the coming days. Apple Stores appear better stocked--a similar pattern to what we witnessed last year.

Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica.
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by Mark_Anderson June 19, 2009 11:43 AM PDT
Why are the people in these photos always such utter tossers?
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by garce1 June 19, 2009 11:54 AM PDT
what is a tosser?
by Eddie-c June 19, 2009 12:25 PM PDT
British slang, akin to wanker.

I have a better copy of this pic - uncropped version where the two guys at the right-side have a thought bubble of "Losers". LOL.
by ikramerica--2008 June 19, 2009 3:12 PM PDT
Wanker is british slang, too. What, EXACTLY, is a wanker? ;)
by The_happy_switcher June 19, 2009 3:13 PM PDT
The brits seem to have many more words for masturbator than we do. I guess that must mean something.
by Ellusian June 19, 2009 3:14 PM PDT
If they're that fanatic/trend-obsessed...they probably are part of the crowd that are upgrading from an expensive phone they bought just last year. That, my friend, is a tosser. Brainwashed into rampant 'cult of the latest disposable income materialism.' Sad. The truly tech savvy know how/when to buy-in and how to milk their investments: 1) avoid buying the first version of anything, 2) update/upgrade until the true next gen arrives, assess the return-on-investment, and THEN put down some hard-earned coin, 3) read, observe, repeat...
by hal Summers June 20, 2009 12:01 AM PDT
Want to see a group of tossers? Just wait until the Zune phone comes out. I'm sure they'll come with their own pocket protector.
by June 20, 2009 5:29 PM PDT
This article is not wht The New York Times reported..

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/20/technology/20apple.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=iPhone&st=Search
by iFone-user June 19, 2009 11:59 AM PDT
cant wait till next years model!!!is there a line at Verizon yet????4G
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by Iphone11429 June 19, 2009 12:32 PM PDT
Umm. Verizon Won't be ready for the LTE 4G version next year. Maybe 2011
by ncalishome June 19, 2009 3:12 PM PDT
I've been waiting patiently for iPhone on Verizon since they first launched. I'd really like to get an iPhone but I don't want to have to go outside to make or receive phone calls, which is exactly the case where I sit right now. AT&T has a terrible reputation re:coverage in the city I live in.
by jusben1369 June 22, 2009 4:42 PM PDT
It seems to me you can have it both ways on this new iPhone. If you're pro Apple you say "The phone/design was so visionary from the start that all it really needs is essentially a generic hardware update to justify excitement" If you're anti iPhone you say "Very few new and exciting features. This is essentially a faster chip, more RAM and storage space (ok, you get a compass and still lame camera)

I do agree it makes some sense if you're at the end of your Gen 1 iPhone and can get this subsidized.
by capernicous2 June 19, 2009 12:03 PM PDT
I use a macbookpro which I like alot, but these are Macalittes with way more money then sense. These phones arent that much ($299-$499) better then last years model. With todays bad economy people need to be saving more and paying off bills instead of splurging like this.
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by franzenk June 19, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
One of the best ways to get this economy going again is to start spending money. Not a bad thing.
by SiliconValleyJoe June 19, 2009 1:08 PM PDT
You make good points but:

1. They may have been original iPhone owners or switchers from other phones? So the 3GS is significantly better to them?

2. These gentlemen in the photo may have paid cash and are perfectly able to afford the phone, plans and a host of other consumer goods. Same can be said of many others who bought the 3GS.

3. Many people need a capable smart device to work, it is not just a phone. In some ways, it replaces their lap[tops. I know of two sales people from our companies who replaced their laptop with such devices. Both use BlackBerries and one carries an iPhone. The other is switching to iPhone 3GS.

There are many factors, hard to apply a general rule to everyone. Your points are sound though and do apply to certain segment of our population.
by SiliconValleyJoe June 19, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
Ugh! Meant to write two sales people from our company, not companies! Ugh!
by pme31561 June 19, 2009 1:40 PM PDT
I sold my 16gb 3g on ebay for $300 2 days ago and I bought the 16gb 3gs today for $255 after tax. Worked out well for me. Only real cost was extending my contract for 1 more year.
by Perry_Clease June 19, 2009 12:10 PM PDT
"These phones arent that much ($299-$499) better then last years model. "

Are they better than the model from the year before last years?

"With todays bad economy people need to be saving more and paying off bills instead of splurging like this."

That is their business.
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by capernicous2 June 19, 2009 12:48 PM PDT
Buying too much on credit + too high gas prices = is what has gotten us all in this awful economic mess. It is still going to get worst before it evers gets better.
by June 19, 2009 12:12 PM PDT
Quote: He reserved his iPhone ahead of time and with help from an Apple employee had his phone activated in two minutes. Last year when the activation process bogged down he was stuck in the store for more than two hours. .... This year, he seemed happy to pay and get out in <b>one tenth</b> the time it took last year.

2 hours = 120 minutes. 2/120 = 1/60th of the time it took last year.
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by ericaatnews June 19, 2009 12:40 PM PDT
Good call. Thank you for catching the error.
by alexacker June 19, 2009 12:51 PM PDT
Thank you for catching this. My life is now whole and I continue on knowing that someone righted a true wrong in life. Get a life!
by carguy622 June 19, 2009 12:16 PM PDT
Who goes around brandishing their new phone like that. Seems kind of lame. When I bought my Wii on the release date I put it in a bag and brought it home. I didn't wave it above my head on the way to the car.
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by dan_heisel June 19, 2009 1:10 PM PDT
I'm going to start doing that with all my mundane purchases. Next time I visit Spatula City I think I'll wave my brand new spatula above my head in victory all the way to the car.
by Vegaman_Dan June 19, 2009 1:24 PM PDT
@dan_heisel

I hear if you buy nine, you get the tenth one for just one penny!
by DosEquisXX June 19, 2009 3:57 PM PDT
I liked their spatulas so much, I bought the company.
by dacopper June 19, 2009 12:52 PM PDT
Get back in line, 3.05 is coming out next week! And it'll only cost you another $400 to upgrade. What a deal!!!
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by Vegaman_Dan June 19, 2009 1:25 PM PDT
It's tempting to stop by on the way home and buy one of these since the supply isn't in any danger of running out... but then I can also pick it up anytime I think without that issue. Eh... might hold off.
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by ikramerica--2008 June 19, 2009 5:26 PM PDT
Troll.

You won't ever buy one, so why comment?

And depending on where you live, they sold out.
by Sumladar June 19, 2009 1:50 PM PDT
What mess I see before me. I really don't want to pay a monumental amount for the new iPhone nor do I find it fair that AT&T is picking winners and losers to get the lowered prices. I bought the first generation iPhone, I bought three 3G iPhones, I have talked at least 20 people into getting the iPhone and switching to AT&T, I pay close to $200 a month to AT&T and I still deal with crappy/intermittent quality 3G service. I'm really starting to question why I switched to AT&T.

I went to the Apple store this morning to buy a new phone but as I entered the line I was asked if I reserved my phone and I said no. The Apple person said there were no phones for non-reserved people!? A lady in the non-reserved line said that she had been waiting since 7am just in case. I can't believe that this Apple store for the third time of a release cannot get their inventory act together.

I really love the iPhone but all of the associated BS around it is really starting to tarnish the core product.
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by Eddie-c June 19, 2009 2:51 PM PDT
Since 7am "just in case? What a dolt. It's not like anyone will get the max 'uber-speed' that's been hyped anyway and many areas still have poor 3G coverage so the 's' is wasted. Still, if the estimate of 500,000 phones does happen this weekend that's a nice $200mill ... what a cash-cow. (Am surprised they didn't pull the adaptor change like other manufacturers have historically done)
by ralfthedog June 19, 2009 2:55 PM PDT
Apple can only activate so many phones at a time. Limiting the number of available phones is the best way to bottleneck the procedure. I would guess that new phones will arrive every day. If you don't want to wait in line at 7:00 AM, the backlog should be filled in about two weeks.
by ikramerica--2008 June 19, 2009 5:28 PM PDT
Well, I didn't pick up my reserved phone (ordered one direct instead, but had already reserved one at the local Apple Store), and they do give them away at the end of the day to stand by customers (reserved does not mean it will be there Saturday if you decide to wait), but it's still dumb to wait like that. Just try Monday!
by muskratboy June 19, 2009 3:11 PM PDT
"I guess I didn't read the fine print,"

yeah, that big "2 year contract" was TINY, wasn't it? that one, right there at the top of the page. the first bullet. requires 2 year contract. yeah, fine print sucks, doesn't it?

the 3GS is a pretty serious upgrade, overall... so "not much better" is about as subjective as it gets.

video alone is almost worth the price of admission (for me).
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by jdbnet June 20, 2009 4:35 AM PDT
I think the voice dialing is huge! I really missed that from my BlackBerry and with California (and other states) making it illegal to hold the phone while driving, having voice activation is worth the $200 for me. But then I am a computer consultant and I spend more time in the car than most people do.

I am however having some technical glitches. My iPhone gets the touch screen locked up some times. If I hit the home screen and exit the app (so far just in e-mail and contacts) all is well. I did looks edits I was making to a contact. Powering off and on did not help. I'm wondering if anyone else had this issue. Maybe I just got a bad unit.

- Jonathan
by ikramerica--2008 June 19, 2009 3:14 PM PDT
With the pre-order and delivery on the 19th (mine arrived at 1:30PM), why wait in line? I was going to get it at the store until I found out that my reservation reserved nothing, I would have to wait outside at 6AM, and I might not get a phone after hours.

So I canceled my reservation and ordered for delivery instead.

Don't let the short lines fool anyone though. The FedEx guy said he had been delivering iPhones all day and basically little else. He agreed with me that they could have started delivering on Wednesday, as they had them sitting in warehouses next to FedEx distribution centers around the country...
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by nhallan June 19, 2009 8:10 PM PDT
That rigth ordered mine on 6/10/09 got email on 6/18/09 . And received mine today at 2:00pm via Fedex and i am in west palm beach, Florida
by Ah_knaa June 19, 2009 4:12 PM PDT
"A middle-aged San Francisco woman buying her first iPhone exemplified the general attitude. She tried to pick up the phone she reserved Thursday night, but an Apple employee told her it wouldn't be available until Friday but that she could wait outside overnight to pick up her phone in the morning. Her reaction: "I said, 'You're kidding me, right?'"

Yeah like I'm really going to sleep on the fcuking streets for a stupid phone. This lady might be the smartest Apple customer ever.
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by ikramerica--2008 June 19, 2009 5:25 PM PDT
What part of Friday did she not understand? Thursday night is not Friday. Thursday night is Thursday night. How on earth is she "the smartest" anything ever?

Ahchew, you assume that all Apple customers wait outside like that. That makes me question your intelligence. Most people don't. There are millions of iPhones in use around the world, but a tiny fraction ever waited overnight for anything.

I would bet more people camped out to see Star Wars in 1977, but I'd just be making that up.
by kingpcgeek June 19, 2009 4:54 PM PDT
I got the second to last 32GB in all of the Phoenix area ATT stores at 3:00pm. All Phoenix ATT stores are sold out of the 16GB. Guy working there (Fiesta Mall in Mesa) told me one person camped out.
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by kingpcgeek June 19, 2009 4:55 PM PDT
Forgot to add. 2 hours and counting and still no activation.
by ikramerica--2008 June 19, 2009 5:22 PM PDT
Yep, activations are not happening. It seems. I expect it to happen in the middle of the night myself, when the servers have cooled down and everyone is sleeping...
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by shellcodes_coder June 19, 2009 6:58 PM PDT
There are much better smart phones out there so why would any one want it? well you might wanna get it if you wanna look cool, that's it
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by jeffgtr60 June 19, 2009 7:30 PM PDT
"There are much better smart phones out there so why would any one want it? well you might wanna get it if you wanna look cool, that's it"

I beg to differ, I have a 1st gen Iphone, although it may not be as fast as say a Pre, outside of a 3G or 3GS it's the most usable phone available. My son received his 3GS today and had no prob activating it. Spend a day or two with an Iphone and then come back and tell us how much better the others are. It has zero to do with looking cool, to many iphones out there for it to be cool. It is just very dependable and truly useful unlike most of the other "gadgets" out there.
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by June 19, 2009 8:44 PM PDT
Good quesiton!..

By the way, The New York Times says there were many customers with activation problems:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/20/technology/20apple.html?hpw

Not exactly what CNET is reporting..
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by Lawn_Jesus June 19, 2009 11:00 PM PDT
Thanks to AT&T and Apple being idiots, my local Best Buy didn't even get shipments in, and neither did my local Wal-Mart. So much for a launch date, now I have to pre-order it, which they said it would take quite awhile for me to get my 3GS, in that case. Not cool.
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by anilsudh June 20, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
Just pre-order from Apple. I ordered tuesday night and got mine yesterday.
by gachies November 11, 2009 5:02 AM PST
<a href="http://ellumobile.blogspot.com">iphone crowds</a>
by AppleSuxLeo June 19, 2009 11:48 PM PDT
It`s no surprise...it`s a dud. Cnet`s own tests found the Palm Pre to be faster than it at everything but booting up !
Back to the drawing board Steve Jobs. iPhone 3gS twice as fast as old iPhone ?
Not ! And still slower than Palm Pre.
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by ckh1272 June 20, 2009 1:51 AM PDT
Speaking of dud, where do you get your information? The speed test was done using the 2nd gen. iPhone, not the Gs, so please provide some info. for once. You know, I saw a on the back of a milk carton "Have you seen my common sense?". At the bottom it said "if found, please contact AppleSuxLeo. I miss it so." Please, at least get a freakin' clue!
by AppleSuxLeo June 20, 2009 4:04 AM PDT
The test WAS DONE against the new iPhone 3G S And the IPhone 3G S was in fact markedly slower.
http://cnettv.cnet.com/video-iphone-3g-launch-new-york-city/9742-1_53-50073344.html?tag=TOCmoreStories.0
by shellcodes_coder June 20, 2009 6:33 AM PDT
dude, it's CrApple. So what else can you expect from them?
by Synthmeister June 20, 2009 9:27 AM PDT
AnandTech--who is hardly an Apple fanboi--came up with different results.

iPhone 3GS Performance: 54% Faster than the 3G, 11% Faster than the Pre

http://anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3587

And it doesn't matter if the Pre is better if it doesn't sell. Projections for the Pre were around 50K for the first week. iPhone GS3 projections are somewhere north of 500K for the first week.
by ckh1272 June 21, 2009 6:07 AM PDT
@AppleSuxLeo--I did see the CNET video and you need to consider a couple of major points. First, they stated up front that AT&T in San Francisco has not upgraded to the 7.2Mbps that the iPhone is capable of. Second--Even though the Pre was faster on the last two tests, the first test is the kicker. In the time it took the Pre to boot up, you could've already sent a pic email and loaded that webpage on the iPhone. Third-the conclusion that can be drawn from that test is that the network is the key. There are going to be places where one phone will be faster than the other and vice versa. Here is a link regarding speed over WiFi:
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/06/19/iphone_3g_s_faster_than_palm_pre_500k_sales_conservative.html

This gives a better indication of hardware vs. hardware. Don't let the source of the link fool you. It was done by an outside source, not AppleInsider. IMO, I think they are both pretty good phones with room for improvement. I do wish that both would have scrap the exclusive deals and worked it out with all the major carriers, but it is what it is at this point. Both of the phones biggest weakness is their choice of carriers IMO.
by AppleSuxLeo June 19, 2009 11:52 PM PDT
BTW , Sprint will have it`s 4G WiMax built out before ATT gets it`s 3G up to speed.
ATT is a farce.
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